Just out of curiosity, I decided to check who else would have made the list had I gone as high as #10. Here is who else would have made the list: Blaine Gabbert (#10, 2011), Christian Ponder (#12, 2011), Matt Leinart (#10, 2006), Jay Cutler (#11, 2006), and Ben Roethlisberger (#11, 2004). Two good ones, a bust, a guy I think will be another dud (Gabbert) and an average guy (Ponder).

You are right that a guy like Weeden fits the Packers philosophy, but are they really going to use a high pick on a guy Weeden’s age, just to sit behind Rodgers? I can’t see it. They grabbed Flynn in the 7th.

Try again when you have an actual line of reasoning.

Asking to use hindsight to nitpick the numbers to come out the way you wish them to be doesn’t change reality. But nice try.

The Bengals got several players a round or two later than projected, which was why their draft grade was unanimous A’s and A-’s. Will I evaluate those guys based on their projected spots? No, they get evaluated based on where they got taken. And Weeden got taken at #22, so he gets compared to #22s. Why is that hard to grasp?

After Miami took Tannehill, nobody else needed a QB. Denver was the next to take one at #57, and with Manning on their roster, they sure weren’t going to take a guy who would be over 30 by the time Manning retires. The next QB didn’t go until #102 in the fourth round, proving that demand was pretty low by that point.

I know you’ll throw out the predictable excuse that another team would have grabbed him if the Browns had left Weeden on the board, so you’d better be ready to make a strong case for who that team would have been. It’s a case you can’t make.

So how does it feel knowing your team could have gotten a would-have-been-top-10-if-he-wasn’t-old guy a round or two later, allowing them to take someone like Riley Rieff or Whitney Mercilus? Too smart by half again.

Or maybe you don’t want to look at those specific circumstances.

I’m also wondering about the idea that Clements moves to Safety and Hall starts on PUP. Kirkpatrick and Allen/Newman start at CB in that case. With Moch’s suspension, we definitely need another LB. I would LOVE to get Brandon Johnson back for another season…or two.

Teams shied away from Weeden thinking he’d have a shorter career due to his age. In terms of raw talent, most seemed to feel he’d have gone closer to top 10 otherwise. So if you’re going to make this kind of projection, seems you’re comparing him to players most GMs felt were lesser QB prospects.

But the pick I would point to is the Iloka pick. As the NFL offensive tactics change, so must the D. I think the Saftey position will see major changes and the SS player as a breed will morph into a very different player. Teams need to be able to account for the new pass catching TE’s and demonstrate far better coverage skills while still be able to help a little in run support. Also, I can see this new kind of secondary player helping mask coverages and making it a little harder on QB’s.

One thing I’m going to be watching through the season is how Browns fans react to whatever happens. I really hope they don’t do to Weeden what they’ve done to McCoy. If they can get through the growing pains, they’ll have something worth rooting for in a couple of years/

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Yeah some of the browns fans got out of hand, but you gotta think at it from our point of view. Everyone in e country blasts e browns. Their story has become a national one since their return to the nfl in 1999. That a long with the misleading title on the bleacher report got some people in rage.

The shurmur case is sad, but true. Everyone in the NFL wants to win now. Cam Cameron was fired after his first year as a head coach because the dolphins wanted to win now. It’s just th culture in the nfl and Jim harbaughs success doesn’t help that either.

I too would like to see the browns do well, obviously. Unlike the other browns I like cinci and I love what they’re doing down there. They hit the jack pot with the Carson trade and I’ve thought all along that they would be as bad as people thought. They’ve got an awesome defense line and a ton of athletes on that side of the ball. Michael Johnson is an under rated player and geno Atkins is an up and comer at DT.

Unlike Sean, I never thought Browns fans were out of place commenting on the post. I wish it had not degenerated so quickly, which I did not want to happen to this one, thus the warning. Your side got pretty nasty pretty fast, but since they came in thinking I had attacked Weeden as terrible player (not exactly what I said), I get it.

I hadn’t even thought about the Shurmur angle. That is the biggest problem the Browns have had. They want so much to win NOW that they won’t stick to any one plan long enough for it to flourish. Hard to succeed when you’re always starting over. Sounds like you recognize that though.

As close to heresy as it is for me to say this, I kind of would like to see the Browns finally put it together again. A real rivalry again — with two good teams — would be a ton of fun. And I would love for the balance of power in the AFCN to finally flip. Let Baltimore and Pittsburgh own the basement of the division for a while.

The bengals have more talent on offense than the browns that’s clear. Aj green, mo sanu you guys got in the third, Jordan Shipley, jermaine Gresham, and the others you’ve mentioned. Marvin jones has been compared to mike Wallace so honestly, I wouldn’t count him out to make an impact for the bengals this season. Not one mike Wallace had as a rookie, but a solid impact. Especially seeing as Jordan Shipley probably won’t be the same jordan Shipley until next year. I don’t count any pick out. Seeing Marques Colston go from 7th round pick to one of the NFLs top 15 receivers IMO. Or running backs like legarret Blount rushing for Over 1000 yards and 5 yards a carry In 13 games as an ur drafted rookie. I don’t know much about the bengals team and I don’t pretend to. That’s why a lot of people had a problem with the blog although it was your opinion you as the outsider don’t know what it’s like as a browns fan. If a few bengals fans thought that benjarvous green-Ellis was the next Cory dillon and I wrote a blog about how he was and you got wind of it, would you not voice your opinion about how wrong I was? I’m sure tons of bengals fans will on my blog if I did that blasting me and my credibility.

We’ve got Green obviously, and TE Jermaine Gresham. There’s Jordan Shipley in the slot, to whom you would counter with health concerns… legitimately, since he was concussed in Cleveland as a rookie and missed almost all of last year with a blown out knee. After that, there’s who? Brandon Tate — a poor man’s Josh Cribbs — and a bunch of rookies. If I trot out 5th round speedster Marvin Jones and confidently assert that he will make the whole passing offense work, you aren’t going to raise your eyebrows and ask, “Really? You’re giving me a 5th rounder?”

That’s why I, as an outsider, have a hard time buying that just adding Benjamin to that WR corps makes the whole group better and presto, the passing game is solved for Weeden.

With 3 years of stats, putting faith in Massaquoi is risky at best. At some point, he is what his numbers say he is. You can convince me of Cribbs before you can a 4th round speedster. Pretty rare a 4th round rookie receiver makes that big of an impact. With Norwood, I’ll believe it when I see it. If they can keep Watson going and add in more Moore (haha!) plus another step forward from Little, then maybe you’ve got a little something.

I will say this, the Browns took a good step this year. Rookie mistakes and a tough schedule might blunt some of the signs of progress, but it will be good growth pains. If the front office sticks to the plan and gets a couple more pieces next year, they could finally have something going. And I consider that a good thing. God knows I’m sick of Pittsburgh.

I’m taking that baseline, and adding his scouting report. He has a ‘plus’ arm… accuracy… good touch… doesn’t lock on to WRs… Those move him a several notches above the baseline. But then, according to one SR I saw “sometimes requires a lot of space to set his feet, wind up and deliver the football.” Uh-oh, that’s ding. Mediocre O-line? Another ding. Tough schedule… big ding. Add up the pluses and minuses, and I end up back near the baseline, maybe a smidge above.

So it’s not BECAUSE of the baseline (which I needed to make a comparison to McCoy and Dalton), but because I am adding up the pluses and minuses in the scouting report, the team, the schedule, and they pretty much cancel each other out.

This makes more sense to me than saying he can beat the Steelers — or the Bengals — because he was good enough to beat Oklahoma and Texas.

Now, I will say this as well. If Holmgren will give him time — 2-3 years — I see a Flacco-like QB, not elite, but definitely plus. That is if fans aren’t burning him in effigy first for looking like a rookie in his rookie year..

I’m saying that Weeden’s arm and touch should make him somewhat above average — perhaps around the level of a Joe Flacco — but 1) a change to the pro-style O, 2) a mediocre-but-slightly-improved O-line (unless you want to claim that a +4.4 rated RT was the bulk of the line’s problems), 3) a WR corps of Greg Little and a bunch of underwhelmers (Massaquoi, Cribbs, Norwood) plus an unproven 4th rounder, and 4) a tough schedule will all pull him down some. So I see a net of an average to slightly above average rookie QB. Not enough above average to make many Browns fans happy anyway. If I end up being wrong about that, then I’m wrong.

I don’t say this to be mean, but the RG3 thing is absolutely sad. I would rather have had Stephon Gilmore (or Morris Claiborne for that matter) over Dre Kirkpatrick, but I was never pissed about it and couldn’t possibly still be pissed a month later. It only feeds the stereotype.

Btw to the RGIII point, the whole city was praying the browns would land the 2nd overall pick to get RGIII. when that didn’t happen a majority of Cleveland’s fans were still pissed they didn’t get him and didn’t want either McCoy, weeden or tannehill which QB was the hot topic to be drafted by the browns that particular week. Since they drafted Richardson a lot of fans are contempt with the pick because they know the possible impact he could have on the team, but a lot of them would still rather have RGIII.

As to what they added, what did they really get? TR will help (which is why I think they hold ground despite a tougher schedule), a swap at QB, and what else? An OT to replace Pashos (who was graded a +4.4 by PFF) and a 4th round receiver. The run D will improve some (it couldn’t get much worse) but can you expect much above league average? I don’t think so.

What percentage of fans are pining for RG3? And what good is it supposed to do?

And don’t try to convince me that McCoy “looking bad” would have mattered had he gotten the team closer to .500.

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